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God- 'The
Uncertainity'
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I am pleasantly surprised and
impressed by your thoughts and your writing, especially
considering your age. You initially claim to be an atheist.
However, just as I had thought, by the time I reached the end of
your article, I was sure that you believe in God.
Belief and understanding are different things. If you do not
understand theory of relativity, would you claim that you do
not believe it?
In case you are interested, I would like to suggest you an
authoritative book on this. "Shrimad Bhagvad Geeta Rahasya" by
Bal Gangadhar Tilak. The original book is in Marathi but a very
good english translation is also available. This is a commentary
on the Bhagvat Geeta w.r.t. what you should do in your life. I
find it quiet invigorating.
I wish and hope that you get the answers to your questions.
And something about me. I too am an engineer like you trying to
decipher life and the mind of God.
Warm Regards,
Sadanand Sheorey
-Sadanand |
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Hello Sadanand,
I don't believe in god, but i do believe it is some sort of
metaphor for something inherently positive, like some kind of
vibe or something.
I am pleased to read your mail. I will definitely look out for
the book. Do keep visiting, it is good to know people with
similar interests and ideology.
This is the main purpose of the site, as it is hard to meet
people with such notions to discuss.
Hope to see you often.
- Shvm |
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hm, how can you say that god is
uncertainty and darkness? sure, hes not light, nor an ethereal
being, but darkness and uncertainty? wouldnt you agree that
'god' is a poetic concept meant to give a 'positive' (so to
speak) on things? i would hardly think that that qualifies as
darkness or doubt, self-delusion perhaps, but darkness and
uncertainty?
are you the author of the site?
- Jcharliem |
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Yes I am the
author,
These are the analogies I tried too put down.
Of all the things you believe about god, the perceptions are
best explained and possessed by darkness and not light.
Apart from the points explained in the article... here are some
more-
1)
Darkness cannot be seen yet it is seen everywhere.
2)
No senses of ours can measure or feel darkness, but we can
measure and feel light.
3) Darkness does not
need a source... so it does not have a
birth nor does it die.
you can come up with 'n' no. of analogies once you try to think
about it.
About uncertainty now,
It is a very fascinating concept to me, nothing is predictable
and certain, the very chance of you, knowing something changes
the fact you know... wow! that's a magnificent phrase that
captivates me every time I think about it.
- Shvm |
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I cant say that I agree. there is a
thought, a vibe, that is positive, and this "reflection" (if you
will) harbors a positive outlook on life. this is what god is.
you might argue (like I say) that its self delusion, but its far
from "explained and possessed by darkness". To me, 'darkness' is
nothing more than a negative reference, and in no way beneficial
to the self. also, how can you so easily state that light is the
opposite of darkness? sure, it is in a literal sense, but
metaphorically? I find it to be nothing short of vulgar poetry.
excuse me if I sound harsh, but aren't some thoughts and
inspirations worth having? and passing on?
I don't believe in god, but i do believe it is some sort of
metaphor for something inherently positive, like some kind of
vibe or something. would you be open that suggestion?
and yeah, uncertainty, it really is a paradox that a higher
degree of certainty can be achieved by doubting more. its like a
generator of trust =)
where are you from anyhow?
- Jcharliem |
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"I don't believe in god, but
I do
believe it is some sort of metaphor for something inherently
positive, like some kind of vibe or something. would you be open
that suggestion?
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Exactly... same situation here,
but just tell me who gave you a perception that darkness is
negativity and light is positive?... well the answer would
be-'everyone'. I take this a a prevailing myth.
No one understands darkness as everyone is searching for
light... you yourself attribute positive things with light, the
fact is, you wish to seek for something that is existent. You
can not pray for nobody (darkness), you always want some
reference for god. As he can not be explained and mystified with
the concept of darkness it is interpreted as light. Just a way
to delude yourself.
- Shvm |
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well, I equate 'darkness'/spiritual darkness as a result of a
collective lack of compassion, and the problems that follows.
this goes for all of us. but I agree that darkness shouldn't be
equated with something negative, but a lot of people do, and we
shouldn't exclude them either.
well, I don't think there is much to say about darkness. I'm
pretty sure that Satanists and other narrow minded people think
of it as reference to "the negative", so it doesn't seem to be
beneficial.
I'm not searching for 'light' by the way.If you understand
enlightenment as in terms of weight, it makes more sense. i
don't think looking for god as a light-being is a particularly
good idea.
are you into religion? where did you come from again?
- Jcharliem |
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Ya I am from India,
I equate darkness/blankness as a state of peace and serenity. I
see it as a doorway to your inner self and to god. I see
darkness as a relevant thing, I do not go for its spiritual
meanings and all... I am scientific in approach. I believe that
I am my god, ie; my god is in my sub consciousness somewhere. I
see darkness as an opportunity to see god, the god that lies
within me, not like people who are afraid of it... it is human
psychology, the things we are fascinated of are considered
'heavenly'. Man feared lightening, fire, hurricanes, earthquakes
and so started worshipping them as gods...Early Indian culture
displays everything as made by god but god himself is something
beyond that. The educated ones at that time knew what to search
for... these mythologies were just to fascinate the ignorant
people.
Read my profile in my site and may be you will get some answers
to ' Why do I have such contradicting notions?'
- Shvm |
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LoL, the answer lies
within ur stomach. Fascination and worship is for the ignorant,
this we agree on, but all cultural beliefs aren't wrong. I do
believe we all have contradicting notions about stuff. its part
of the 'trust generator' =)
but even so, I don't think mental darkness is the same as
nothingness, oblivion indeed carries a 'negative' connotation.
do you know sri ramana maharsi's teachings? do you know any
schizophrenics?
I believe the answer to these big questions lie within the
stomach, and is for each and every one to figure out. morality
is difficult but rewarding.
why this fascination of darkness? r u into goth and stuff?
- Jcharliem |
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Laughing out loud,
I am not
into goth and all that, I am just a simple guy with some
unconventional thinking. I have a tendency to question
everything and look for answers. I look for similar questions
and then try to correlate the solutions of faced problem with
the observed answers. I am in no sense a negative person, and am
in love with life (you would have known it by now through the
theme of the site).
I would still
ask you this question, What makes you perceive that I am a
negative being?. Why are you symbolizing my beliefs with
negativity, goth, etc? Is it just the perception of darkness? It
takes time to absorb a phenomenon that's contradictory to a
prevalent myth. Don't you think that darkness 'may be' the
source of everything? It was there even before the 'big bang'
and it will be the only thing that is left after the final
end... What else than god could survive in such situation... Do
you still think that light is what that should be pursued for?
- Shvm |
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Hi..
no doubt I liked it..!!
"I realize, what I am going through will also fade up just as a
memory. So enjoy everything I do in life and wish to live every
moment to the fullest. .."
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Okay, ur not getting me here. 'darkness' is not good for the
organism, in fact, the stomach disproves of it and any attemtp
to meditate on it itself leads nowhere. u were saying something
about darkness being our bad deeds or something, this i think is
constructive. an appropiate way to clearing away darkness and
confusion is to be good and kind. there is no true justification
of behaviour found outside of urself. that just something youll
have to get convinced about urself, and therein lies salvation.
god is NOT a being of light.
hm, think the amount of energy in the universe is constant, and
that it has its own way of renewing itself. if this is big bang
or harmony of movement and energy, i do not know, i think the
latter is more poetically inspiring.
darkness was there before the universe? i think ur logic is
getting confused. what kind of darkness are you talking about
here? (since you dont find darkness to be disturbing, youll have
no difficulty answering)
and no, light is NOT what we are looking for. if you understand
it as in terms of weight, it is what your looking for, but
light? do you think light to be the opposite of darkness?
(metaphorically speaking)
do you know the 'kabbalah'? u know, jewish mysticism? i think
its exactly what ur looking for, but to me its just confusing.
- Jcharliem |
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Ya probably we are
confusing each other, I am just taking the practical, real
darkness and I think you are explaining it metaphorically. I am
stating that God is nothing but all the definitions of god are
satisfied by 'darkness' and not by the concept of 'light'. I am
just saying that the prevalent myth of considering light as the
metaphor/analogy for god is incorrect. I use the word 'god' just
as a reference I do not mean anything specific.
I explain
god as a form of 'energy' and human as a form of 'matter'.
They both are the same thing, just that, No one
living can explain god as human can not understand it's own form of
energy and when he does, he 'is' the energy, ie;
god. Maybe that is what is referred as oneness with god or unison.
That is my funda of god.
- Shvm |
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Hm, okay then, I
guess we agree. God is not 'light'. =)
- Jcharliem |
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life,
fun
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